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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:10 am 
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I'm grateful for everything NCFCA has given me and it's leadership...

but let's just say that it's a good good year to quit :D

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:11 am 
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LocutusofBorg wrote:
Yes, ADS and, I would assume, TI were terrible.


ADS was definitely not terrible, at least not in R5.

Maybe it was different this year (I doubt it, given what I heard), but yeah...ADS was terrible in R5. Considering I judged what was considered the best ADS in R5 (along with some other well known speakers) two years ago, I think I saw a pretty good sample. The problem is that what you think of when you see the rules isn't what ADS isn't supposed to be. I had the same problem--when I wen tinto college I wasn't sure how you do an ADS without doing standup. If you watch a good college round, you'll see. But because the NCFCA doesn't have access to how to actually write speeches, they were all either standup or not at all funny.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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Bryan's and Marina's points on ADS are very legitimate and I guess I can excuse the League for thinking it had lost it's way with the category. At the same time, I would rather have the NCFCA re-define the category (and perhaps use that as a way of getting rid of HI) as opposed to abolishing it all together.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:17 pm 
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Personally, I'm quite thrilled with HI being removed. Open Interp has always been plagued by being a knockoff of Dramatic Interp. The speeches about Nazis and Jews that make you cry always beat out the better done speeches about a more obscure topic. But now the dramatic speeches will have to go head to head with humorous speeches in the Open Interp category which should balance the category a bit more.

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That is stupid. Totally totally stupid. That is absolutely moronic. Wow. If I was in NCFCA I'd leave now.

No it really isn't. Don't get me wrong, I wish that Region 8 could stay unified as one whole region, but it's logistically impossible and axes a lot of kid's opportunities. We're getting really big as a region and that makes it very difficult to find tournament facilities. We almost didn't have a Florida qualifier because we couldn't find a location until the last minute. It's always hard to find colleges willing to host us because it's the middle of the fall semester and the vast majority of churches large enough to host us have full schedules and can't fit us in.

Large tournaments also lead to a massive pool of judges that are needed to support the rounds. Community judges have been lacking and we've come close to voiding entire tournaments because we could find enough judges. (I mean so close that our staff would sit down to pray that someone would walk through the door and take a ballot) The lack of community judges leads to the necessity of parents/chaperones taking every ballot every round which doesn't always fill the need and really lowers the quality of judging because they've been doing it all day.

Also, (especially in Florida) we have a lot of competitors who have a low dedication level to NCFCA. The majority of the time this is based on financial reasons, people simply don't have the money to travel to SC or GA for qualifiers. That leaves them with only one choice, the Florida tournament (which mind you, almost didn't exist last year). They can only go to one tournament which really knocks out incentive because the entire debate season consists of one tournament. This change will allow for at least two tournaments to be centered in relatively convenient locations and will allow for the worse off to attend more tournaments.

So yes, it's annoying that Florida and GA/SC will be somewhat separated, and no, I don't like it that I won't see my friends quite as much, but I'm willing to make that sacrifice for the benefit of my friends who want to attend more tournaments but can't and so that our leadership will have an easier time finding facilities and judges. Also, take note that this wasn't a decision forced on us by the higher ups. Our R8 leaders worked with them to come up with the best solution and I have the fullest trust that our R8 leadership knows what they're doing.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:23 pm 
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Hammy wrote:
Personally, I'm quite thrilled with HI being removed. Open Interp has always been plagued by being a knockoff of Dramatic Interp. The speeches about Nazis and Jews that make you cry always beat out the better done speeches about a more obscure topic. But now the dramatic speeches will have to go head to head with humorous speeches in the Open Interp category which should balance the category a bit more.


I disagree with this completely. There were plenty of unique topics that did well in R7 that had a balance of humor and drama. Sure, there were some speeches with no relief, but those didn't automatically do better than the rest. A funny speech is not as difficult to do as a serious piece. By combining serious pieces with pieces intended for HI, it's going to be harder for judges to fairly judge and for competitors to excel. The same exact problem exists in duo. Judges just like funny pieces more, even if they aren't as well done. So, competitors who want to challenge themselves by performing a more difficult piece are going to be hurt by this. I'm very frustrated by it.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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I'd be curious to know which R8 admin supported the idea,

I know for sure Mr. Seymour because I talked to him about it, but I can't say anything for the others.

And quite honestly, you are right. Unless something changes with TP then we'll probably be screwed over, but LD got to the point that it warrants the change.

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@Switching to STOA: Many families either cannot afford, or just refuse to travel to WA for nationals. If their kids are to continue doing speech and debate, they have no other option besides STOA. Riaz is likely going to be finished with NCFCA this year as a result; there's no way he can get to Spokane. I do know some other students switching exclusively to STOA.

I wish that there was some sort of scholarship program for Nats. If we could get some rich people to sponsor us.

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A funny speech is not as difficult to do as a serious piece.

It depends on the person. Some people have a much easier time doing a funny speech and others have a much easier time doing a serious piece.

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Sure, there were some speeches with no relief, but those didn't automatically do better than the rest.

Have you ever competed in Open? Because it (generally) happens.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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Hammy wrote:
It depends on the person. Some people have a much easier time doing a funny speech and others have a much easier time doing a serious piece.


What I mean is that it's harder to portray the range of emotions typical in more serious/sad pieces, and it's harder to elicit a reaction from the audience that isn't laughter.

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Have you ever competed in Open? Because it (generally) happens.


Yes, I did two years ago and I will again this year. There were a few pieces that were extremely dramatic and intense that did well, but the majority offered a balance of humor and drama or they were just serious pieces, not particularly sad ones.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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I don't get it. Why don't they just move South Carolina to Region 9? It would make a lot of people sad. But it seems as though it would solve to logistics issues much better.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:31 pm 
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Crazy-Clubin'-People wrote:
I don't get it. Why don't they just move South Carolina to Region 9? It would make a lot of people sad. But it seems as though it would solve to logistics issues much better.

For myself and a large amount of others, I know that they would simply affiliate under Region 8 (before the meeting was held between R8 parents and Mrs. Hudson SC splitting off was a rumor that was abroad and many announced their intentions to keep with R8 anyway). I think there would have been a lot of people far more upset with that decision.
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You'll have tournaments in SC with three to six TP teams and still have the large tournaments in FL.
3-6 Teams??? Not sure where you got this idea. UADC is a decently large club. Arx Axiom, while I don't know if it will still exist next year, still has a good number of partial-affiliates. Georgia and Rebels from North Carolina are slimmer but still present and should bring in another few teams.
Seeing as I've been looking for a debate partner for next year (I will not forgive you Hammy! :cry: jk :lol: ) I put together a list of teams that we are expecting to have around next year and there is a solid dozen for the GA-SC district already. It's my hope that we bring in more students next year out of necessity if nothing else. Verdict does a great job in Florida of doing this and that's why their tournaments are expected to be so large. Right now we need someone to be taking initiative in that field in Georgia or SC, I just don't see anyone who can or is with TP.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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Crazy-Clubin'-People wrote:
I don't get it. Why don't they just move South Carolina to Region 9? It would make a lot of people sad. But it seems as though it would solve to logistics issues much better.


No offense to south carolinians... but we like being non-southern. :)

But really though, tournaments would be far too far away.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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Perhaps it will be overturned mid-year, but we tend to forget that it's been used the last few years in Region 4.
I would expect 15-23 TP teams at each district qualifier and 35-50 teams at each Regional-wide qualifier (mostly because of the At-large points it affords). The smaller, closer district tournaments are meant to encourage novices and the less-financially stable to come because they don't have to commit as much, so they should still be bringing in a decent enough haul. If they are close enough, then more people will come. There is also a core of individuals who come to every tournament (barring an external conflict).
For myself, I went to 3 qualifiers, an open, regionals, and nationals last year. I doubt I would change anything this year with probably both regional-wide tournaments, at least 1 of the district tournaments (maybe both depending on proximity and partnership preferences), the national open, and regionals (assuming I make it ;)). Only in one of those tournaments would I be "hitting the same 12 teams" or loose out on "networking." I can't speak much to how speech events will work because I've not really participated in those actively in the past.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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Ultimately, I tend to think the regional redistricting will get overturned later and it's just a pilot project doomed to fail. Experimental discovery is a good and laudable idea though. :)

Supposedly they tried this in Texas and it worked, so I wouldn't count on that.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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Forerunner wrote:
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I don't get it. Why don't they just move South Carolina to Region 9? It would make a lot of people sad. But it seems as though it would solve to logistics issues much better.


No offense to south carolinians... but we like being non-southern. :)

But really though, tournaments would be far too far away.


South Carolina is a long way for Floridians. But we've had to do it twice a season for years. It's really no big deal.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:41 am 
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As far as Nats being in Spokane this year...

I realize this is not an easy thing for many people. It's very far away and not easily accessible for a lot of the nation. However, I would like to point out that there are competitors that actually live in this part of the country. People like me who live on the West Coast have trouble getting to Nats almost every year. Nats hasn't been anywhere near the West Coast since 2005. The closest its ever been is Oklahoma. We've struggled with having the money to make it to nats every year.

I realize it's not easy for the rest of the country. I realize it's not exactly a central location. But Virginia wasn't easy for us either. I very nearly couldn't go last year or this year. So just once, I am SO PUMPED about getting to go to Nats without worrying about breaking the bank.

So I guess, from all of us in Region 2... we're sorry. We really are. We hope it doesn't pull many of you away from the league. But please don't begrudge us the chance to host Nats, just once.

Thank you, and I'm sorry.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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I realize it's not easy for the rest of the country. I realize it's not exactly a central location. But Virginia wasn't easy for us either. I very nearly couldn't go last year or this year. So just once, I am SO PUMPED about getting to go to Nats without worrying about breaking the bank.

No need to be sorry, I think Region 2 deserves to host Nationals (though I do wish it wasn't this year :) ). I personally would have rather seen it in Seattle near the coast or perhaps farther south on the west coast in California (where the NCFCA could use some growing and could actually take advantage of STOAs Nationals being far away for that part of the country). I suppose I'd feel the same way if they decided to have Nationals in Black Mountain, Atlanta, Jacksonville or Charleston.

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 Post subject: Re: NCFCA Resolutions
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BenVincent wrote:
I realize it's not easy for the rest of the country. I realize it's not exactly a central location. But Virginia wasn't easy for us either. I very nearly couldn't go last year or this year. So just once, I am SO PUMPED about getting to go to Nats without worrying about breaking the bank.

No need to be sorry, I think Region 2 deserves to host Nationals (though I do wish it wasn't this year :) ). I personally would have rather seen it in Seattle near the coast or perhaps farther south on the west coast in California (where the NCFCA could use some growing and could actually take advantage of STOAs Nationals being far away for that part of the country). I suppose I'd feel the same way if they decided to have Nationals in Black Mountain, Atlanta, Jacksonville or Charleston.


Yeah, I would have preferred Seattle or one of the other western cities, but the fact is there are very few conservative colleges that would be willing to host us. Eastern Washington is probably the only hope we had of getting a good host.

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You think an HSDer (and friends) post-nats road trip to Seattle for a day or two is a possibility? Or just a crazy pipe dream?

I've always wanted to visit, and I'm hoping to get the opportunity. But it would be cool if we could get a group of people, considering that many of us might not be in Washington again for quite some time.

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You think an HSDer (and friends) post-nats road trip to Seattle for a day or two is a possibility? Or just a crazy pipe dream?

I've always wanted to visit, and I'm hoping to get the opportunity. But it would be cool if we could get a group of people, considering that many of us might not be in Washington again for quite some time.
Yasssss please. Seriously wishing nats was actually in Seattle.

Also, if you RVIIIers are concerned with how the district system will impact competition in your region, y'all should just come up to RIX. ;) #shamelessplug

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You think an HSDer (and friends) post-nats road trip to Seattle for a day or two is a possibility? Or just a crazy pipe dream?
I've always wanted to visit, and I'm hoping to get the opportunity. But it would be cool if we could get a group of people, considering that many of us might not be in Washington again for quite some time.
Yasssss please. Seriously wishing nats was actually in Seattle.
I'd be interested but I'd have to see :). That's a long way away (and I have to qualify first :P )

@marina sorry, #RVIII4evs :)

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From someone who lives an hour away, Seattle is a pretty great place to visit. Just make sure you're blasting "Hello Seattle" as the skyline comes into view.

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