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 Post subject: Funding!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:06 pm 
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I need help finding funding for my plan. In short, I need about 6 BILLION per year. Any ideas?

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 Post subject: Re: Funding!
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The USFG budget. 6 billion will not kill our economy. http://wolkenpowerdb8t.blogspot.com/201 ... ative.html

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Just say "budget reallocation" or something like that and don't worry about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Funding!
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The general federal revenue (GFR) in other word if your plan passes we assume funding follows, absolutely no reason to do anything crazy.

ALTHOUGH....I would not be surprised to see several negatives build briefs about how the new congress is cutting spending and increases are simply a non starter, just a thought


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 Post subject: Re: Funding!
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Just a warning against saying "normal means:"

I saw a team last year run a great argument against this in which they explained that "normal means" equals more borrowed money; more debt. They impacted it to our current stifling debt of ~$14trillion, and it was very compelling. BTW, they won the round, although I don't know the issue on which they won.

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Joshtinian wrote:
Just a warning against saying "normal means:"

I saw a team last year run a great argument against this in which they explained that "normal means" equals more borrowed money; more debt. They impacted it to our current stifling debt of ~$14trillion, and it was very compelling. BTW, they won the round, although I don't know the issue on which they won.


But adding $1 billion will not significantly impact the total debt.

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I know that $1 billion isn't a significant impact on $14 trillion. However, the argument is on principle (or "linear"). The argument would be to say that it is fiscally irresponsible or morally wrong to spend any more money when we neglect to pay off this $14 trillion debt that similar practices have collected. The NEG could almost run this as a Kritik (by which I mean a DA on mindest), with a balanced budget as their alternative.

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Joshtinian wrote:
I know that $1 billion isn't a significant impact on $14 trillion. However, the argument is on principle (or "linear"). The argument would be to say that it is fiscally irresponsible or morally wrong to spend any more money when we neglect to pay off this $14 trillion debt that similar practices have collected. The NEG could almost run this as a Kritik (by which I mean a DA on mindest), with a balanced budget as their alternative.


yeah, I've run that as a K before. as a DA, I didn't think it was as strong...

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Then just say budget reallocation. say congress will determine which programs to cut to make room for the plan.

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 Post subject: Re: Funding!
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Joshtinian wrote:
the argument is on principle (or "linear"). The argument would be to say that it is fiscally irresponsible or morally wrong
That's technically deontological, not linear. Linear arguments and link/brink/impact arguments function in exactly the same pragmatic framework, whereas a deontological argument requires a different framework. The only difference between a linear argument and a link/brink/impact argument is that it has an incremental link to an incremental impact instead of a single link to a single impact.

So you could make a funding argument under either framework: pragmatically, explain the effects caused by trading off $1 billion; deontologically, explain why it is immoral to increase the deficit.

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Cut it out of corporate farm subsidies. Everyone in the world who isn't a corporate farmer or politician hates them.


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With the election results and the new house I think this argument is now even stronger.


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tehepicpwnzor wrote:
Cut it out of corporate farm subsidies. Everyone in the world who isn't a corporate farmer or politician hates them.

O-Spec ftw

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Right. Because o-spec wins a ton of NCFCA rounds.....

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tehepicpwnzor wrote:
Cut it out of corporate farm subsidies. Everyone in the world who isn't a corporate farmer or politician hates them.

Which is totally a topical action.

*ninja'd*

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 Post subject: Re: Funding!
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Right. Because o-spec wins a ton of NCFCA rounds.....

This is true. I've never lost with an o-spec.

[yeah, I totally knew 013's post was sarcasm, but that didn't mean I couldn't have fun with it]

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What is o-spec?

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 Post subject: Re: Funding!
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What is o-spec?

The best spec argument ever.

[read this round: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=8399]

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 Post subject: Re: Funding!
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Kristydebate wrote:
I need help finding funding for my plan. In short, I need about 6 BILLION per year. Any ideas?


First, 6 billion is a lot. You have to make sure you're not doing too much. What's the case/plan?

Anyways, Ethanol Subsidies = great place to take money from. There's evidence galore that it's terrible for our economy and that ethanol subsidies are bad and such. There's also evidence that its positive impact on the environment is so small that the disadvantages of it outweigh it.

It's basically an advantage in itself. But I wouldn't make it an advantage :)

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