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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:03 pm 
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OK. I'm willing to accept the possibility that Mr. E. is good based on Evan's investigate. I think it was incredibly stupid to lie repeatedly to the good team. But I'll let him have the benefit of the doubt, if he provides an RPM or other strong evidence.

It's possible that Hammy is the only mafia left. But I think it very, very unlikely. Remember, Hammy wasn't even in the game until he got restored from being The Imprisoned. If we had killed Johnny the first day (which we almost did), the game would have been either over, or stuck in a very weird place. In addition, Skyward Sword is designed completely around the evil team having both Ghirahim and Demise. I cannot imagine Hammy creating a Skyward Sword mafia game and not including Ghirahim.

I think it far more likely that there is one other mafia left. As Evan shared, I am Fi. He is Link. We've been working together this whole game, and we have a lot of information. I know who the last Triforce piece is, for one thing. I know who every remaining player is claiming, except Mr. E., who has apparently felt the need to lie about it to everyone.

Mr. E., I want to trust you. I really do. But Evan and I have revealed ourselves, and we're (not trying to brag or anything) arguably the most important characters on the good team. Especially him. Link revealed himself in-thread for crying out loud. You keep saying "more details later," butthere is no later. This is it. End game. If we play smart here, we can come back against all odds. We can't afford to make stupid mistakes. Which means, as much as you don't want to, you need to be open and honest with us, or we have to assume you're evil, for the good of everyone here. If you absolutely can't share in-thread, PM me a full and complete RPM for me to analyze. It's the least you can do after lying to us all and making yourself look unbelievably suspicious.

I will wait on changing (or not changing) my vote until Mr. E. responds.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:21 pm 
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The Ginga Ninja wrote:
I know who the last Triforce piece is, for one thing.

Who is it?

The Ginga Ninja wrote:
I know who every remaining player is claiming,

I know who every remaining player is. ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:25 pm 
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I'm requesting a phase extension, as we're really close to the end and hearing from other players/conversation is important.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:25 pm 
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Hammy wrote:
The Ginga Ninja wrote:
I know who the last Triforce piece is, for one thing.

Who is it?

The Ginga Ninja wrote:
I know who every remaining player is claiming,

I know who every remaining player is. ;)


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:26 pm 
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anorton wrote:
I'm requesting a phase extension, as we're really close to the end and hearing from other players/conversation is important.


Seconded. Though we do still have almost 24 hours; depending on activity levels it may be enough.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:31 pm 
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The Ginga Ninja wrote:
Hammy wrote:
The Ginga Ninja wrote:
I know who the last Triforce piece is, for one thing.

Who is it?

The Ginga Ninja wrote:
I know who every remaining player is claiming,

I know who every remaining player is. ;)


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:14 pm 
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The Ginga Ninja wrote:
anorton wrote:
I'm requesting a phase extension, as we're really close to the end and hearing from other players/conversation is important.


Seconded. Though we do still have almost 24 hours; depending on activity levels it may be enough.

True, but I'm also flying to Seattle today, so I won't be super active. :P

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:34 pm 
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Yeah, joining the phase extension train. Mr. E. until he provides a defense.

Also, there is the possibility that evil had a convert. Which really worries me. But that's neither here nor there at this point

Edit: Who got the triforce piece? PM me.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:36 pm 
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FINALLY I CAN SAY!
Okay, people have asked me why I wanted to save Mr. E. at the point when my info on him was first brought into the thread, it was because he was claiming a duo, and I knew that Evan and GN were claiming Link and Fi, but they were acting so suspicious, and I thought one of those pairs is Link and Fi, and the other is Demise and Giraham, and I had no idea which was which, so I wanted them both alive in case we were losing our most valuable teammates. Now that Mr. E. is claiming a seemingly important good player, it seems like he has no reason to hide, since if he does hide his role, then evil would think that they need to get rid of him because he's probably important. So I don't see what problem he might have, but...
Yeah, I'm still voting Mr. E., not changing that yet if at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:03 pm 
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JSYK I've now talked with everyone except Mr. E. He picked up my rolepm trade request from this morning and never responded. Not definitive proof but certainly not looking good for him, either.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:34 pm 
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After a long and hard search, the mob finally found Ghirahim.

Mr. E. (Ghirahim) died. He was evil.

The Gate of Time is open.

A night phase begins. It ends tomorrow morning at 8:00.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:21 pm 
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*cough* guess who was right all along... *cough*

Fi out.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:36 pm 
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OK so now we need to kill Demise...

Just for a little background, in the game, Ghirahim has to go through the Gate of Time, to the past, to revive Demise. The thread update Hammy gave when he became Demise indicates that this is the case. Link then has to follow him through the Gate of Time, defeat Ghirahim, and then defeat Demise. So I imagine defeating Demise will have something to do with the Gate of Time. Otherwise, I don't have much of an idea what to do about him. We've got the upper hand now; assuming no more mafia aside from Demise, we've got four goods and one neutral vs. one maf. Under normal circumstances this would be easy, but under the circumstances we're dealing with, we need to play very careful. We can't afford to screw this up much-- we need to figure out how to kill Demise, and do it quickly.

If anyone has any bright ideas, PM me. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:25 pm 
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I've PM'd for the triforce piece. If anyone has it, please get in contact with me and transfer to me ASAP.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:10 pm 
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So I guess now our best bet is to get all the Tri-Force pieces to one person(probably Evan) and then use the ultra-kill on Hammy?

And are any evil characters still alive?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:07 pm 
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SuperK1 wrote:
So I guess now our best bet is to get all the Tri-Force pieces to one person(probably Evan) and then use the ultra-kill on Hammy?

And are any evil characters still alive?


We don't think we need to use the ultra-kill to take down Hammy. If the only way to defeat Demise was to use the Triforce Kill, then the game would be rigged against the Neutral faction. The only way to get the Triforce pieces is to kill the player that is each Triforce piece. But the win condition for the Triforce Pieces is to have one of them alive at the end of the game. The WCs for the Good and Neutral teams cannot be mutually exclusive, or the balance of the game falls apart and the Neutral team is forced to ally with evil, making them not, in fact, neutral. If our WC (defeating all the Mafia) requires killing all the Triforce pieces, and the Triforce pieces' WC is surviving, then our WCs are mutually exclusive, and as such throws the balance of the game completely off, giving the Mafia the guarantee cooperation of the Neutral team. It would be unfair and unwise for Hammy to set up the WCs in that way. Thus, we think it unlikely that the only way to take down Hammy is to use the Triforce Kill. We're working on other angles. Hopefully we're right about this, or we'll need to have a talk with Hammy about game mechanics.

We don't think there are any other evil characters, no. Because Hammy gave Johnny the role of The Horde as one player, he essentially rolled the entire evil team into three entities: Demise, Ghirahim, and all their minions (The Horde).

There are 5 players remaining, plus Hammy. They are:

The Ginga Ninja
Evan
Anorton
SuperK1
Voice of Reason

I know the claimed identity of all five of these people, and can confirm with 100% certainty the identity of three of them (myself included). Barring an evil conversion, which I think unlikely given the lore of the game, I think we can safely assume that Hammy is the only remaining Mafia.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:11 pm 
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I claimed neutral to Evan last night and am the triforce of wisdom. I'm on mobile and have had a bunch of college tests this week so have had the extra incentive to retain a low profile.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:26 pm 
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Okay. :)
Could you investigate Anorton, just in case Evan? Just to make sure. I mean there's no one else to investigate(aside from me, which I suppose would be reasonable), so it's not like you'd be wasting your investigate.

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I definitely don't have the Triforce of Power.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:23 am 
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Hammy wrote:
I definitely don't have the Triforce of Power.


Dear Hammy,

Taking the piece for yourself as GM is a jerk move. We're fighting monumental odds as it is. At least be an unbiased GM.

Sincerely,
The Innocent and Noble People of Skyloft and The Surface

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