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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:33 pm 
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I have been thinking about fiat power over member nations and wanted to see what your thoughts are.
My understanding is that the Affirmative team has the power to fiat the member nations while they are acting as part of the UN but not when they are acting as individual nations reacting to the UN. For example, I could fiat that a treaty is passed by the GA (meaning that 2/3 of the member nations vote for it in the GA) but cannot fiat that the individual nations will ratify it.

Is this how everyone else would interpret fiat this year? Is there anyone who debated NATO year? If so, is this how Fiat was interpreted that year?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:28 pm 
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my understanding of fiat is that it stems from the resolution. so i would say that AFF can fiat any nation, so long as they reform the UN. the litmus test for fiat would be whether or not the member nations (or, arguably, any nations) reform the UN. for example, fiating that the P5 don't veto a resolution to abolish their veto power is fiating an action that reforms the UN, so it's a legitimate use of fiat. on the other hand, fiating that a country ratify a treaty is not cool, because ratification of a treaty doesn't reform the UN.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:14 pm 
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My take on the subject.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:58 am 
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Masked Midnight wrote:
the NEG doesn't have to work inside of the resolution as does the AFF.


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The parametrics debate is lost when people are implying that it's preferable to run T-CPs.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:31 pm 
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Masked Midnight wrote:
I wasn't trying to imply that T-CPs are preferable, just that they are available. To my understanding (and correct me should I be astray) parametric theory deals with debate over the NEG confronting the resolution and/or only the AFF plan/case within the resolution. So, wouldn't T-CPs make parametric debate more prevalent rather than not? :?

Ah, I misunderstood what you were trying to say. Yes, saying that Topical CPs are better would be affirming parametrics. Seeing as I think parametrics is wrong, that would mean that I find the debate to be lost :)

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