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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:14 pm 
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Explain the meaning and significance of verbal, plenary inspiration of Scripture.
Explain the meaning and significance of divine inspiration.

what is the difference between these two topics? it seems to me that you could use the same outline for both of them...

i'm totally nit-picking here, but i'm curious as to why one of these topics wasn't deleted or revised when they redid the topics.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:20 pm 
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Explain the meaning and significance of verbal, plenary inspiration of Scripture.
Explain the meaning and significance of divine inspiration.

what is the difference between these two topics? it seems to me that you could use the same outline for both of them...

i'm totally nit-picking here, but i'm curious as to why one of these topics wasn't deleted or revised when they redid the topics.
Hmmm... well, "verbal, plenary" means the voice of God spoke, and what is in the bible is his "absolute" word. You can argue for divine inspiration without believing that God directly communicated with the authors of the Bible and without believing that what's in the Bible is God's absolute word. So yeah, they are very similar, but I think one is more in depth than the other... just my take.

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It seems like the two topics are closely related, but they deal with slightly different aspects of the issue. My card on divine inspiration talks more generally about God's inspiration of the Bible, while my card on verbal, plenary inspiration talks more specifically about how every word of the Bible is inspired (plenary) and that the specific words as well as the ideas are inspired (verbal). In my speech on divine inspiration I also have a point about some evidence for inspiration.

I guess that by including both topics, you get to cover them and their different aspects more fully, kind of like having four different topics all dealing with different names for salvation.

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You can argue for divine inspiration without believing that God directly communicated with the authors of the Bible and without believing that what's in the Bible is God's absolute word.

That's interesting... I hadn't thought about that before.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:28 pm 
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OppositeWay wrote:
Hmmm... well, "verbal, plenary" means the voice of God spoke, and what is in the bible is his "absolute" word. You can argue for divine inspiration without believing that God directly communicated with the authors of the Bible and without believing that what's in the Bible is God's absolute word.


are you saying there is a difference in the method of communication? like, verbal plenary is God dictating Scripture whereas someone who doesn't believe that would say God just implanted the ideas into people's minds?

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I guess that by including both topics, you get to cover them and their different aspects more fully, kind of like having four different topics all dealing with different names for salvation.


i guess that makes sense.

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Dawn wrote:
are you saying there is a difference in the method of communication? like, verbal plenary is God dictating Scripture whereas someone who doesn't believe that would say God just implanted the ideas into people's minds
Yeah... it's kind of the difference between being inspired to write after seeing a beautiful flower and having the flower control what you wrote.

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It seems to me that verbal, plenary inspiration is a subset of divine inspiration. Thus, I'd agree that it has a bit more depth as well as that it is possible to believe in divine inspiration with believing in verbal, plenary inspiration.

When it comes to Apologetics, you don't even have to have separate cards. Because they are so very similar, you could include material on both in a single card and simply emphasize whichever topic you draw.

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